Who Is Brian Herosian?

***Update***

Scott Larsen has posted a portion of the video on YouTube!

ENJOY!

Update #2 Here is the original video

Well, based on my last post, I guess what needs to be established is who Brian Herosian is. It isn't very obvious based on the video, but Mr. Herosian is an EDC in the Amway business. I found it interesting how he never spoke of Amway or Quixtar, just Herosian Enterprises Limited.

First of all, he was a defensive back in the Canadian Football League. Nothing wrong with that at all, that's for sure. Personally, I admire all the athletes in the CFL, because for the most part, they are blue collar athletes who play for the love of the game. There are no multi million dollar contracts in the CFL, and if you are one of the elite, you are making a quarter million a year or a bit more. He was playing in the CFL before I was born, but he obviously was a professional athlete. I respect that tremendously.

It would appear that Brian Herosian is still serious about being an athlete, as he is shown on Pro-Fitness Training's website.

I first learned about Brian Herosian back in July of 2005 when a commenter on Quixtar Blog's Backbone Project named Gary spoke of Brian Herosian. His comment is near the bottom of the page, about a year after the post.

According to Gary, Brian Herosian once told him that "this business is just tough enough to keep the wimps out"

I did a bit of digging back then, and I found another commenter who gave this address for Herosian's website, along with the user name of BBH and password of EAGLE. Go ahead and check it out. Lots of interesting stuff there, although, I must admit, it isn't very current.

His new website is much nicer, but password protected. If anyone would care to share the password, feel free to drop me a line. Email address is to the right.

According to Amway Wiki, Mr. Herosian is an EDC who lives in Headingly, Manitoba. It's a community just outside of Winnipeg.

So really, what was the point of all this? I dunno, I suppose it was just to demonstrate how many of the same one liners are spoken about. It was also interesting how some principles of persuasion are used. He used uncertainty to instill fear in people about losing their job when he talks about loding his job. He also attempted to take it away near the end by not being able to promise them anything, and insinuating that some people don't get through the interview after the process.

I'm not sure where the 1 out of every 100 graduates retires wealthy tidbit comes from. I would LOVE to see the study which supports that claim.

Again with the dreams though. 7-10 hours a week for the next 2-5 years to make a 6 figure income. Doesn't take skill or talent, just a dream. You have to change your thinking though.

This is all sounding very familiar though. Paradigm, networking, distribution, Robert Kiyosaki, change the way you think, system in place, direct fulfillment, auto replenishment, blah, blah, blah, blah.

The difference here is that Amway rules knows about this. I'm sure the video and website will soon be gone, but what happened?

What would other EDC's who are doing this learning if the outcome for breaking the rules about income claims is not known?

How can Amway stop this? Anyone? Anyone?

Does Amway want to stop this? You'd think they would, since this is a case study of why their reputation is where it is.

What can Amway do, if this would in fact be considered a rules violation? In my opinion, the income claim of 6 figures in 2-5 years with 7 - 10 hours a week of effort is misleading, and not typical. The fact that Amway isn't even mentioned also bothers me.

So. That's Brian Herosian.

The Video in question

Here it is.

I couldn't embed it on this blog, but I believe it will be removed soon as someone may have told the Amway rules department. Get it while it's hot!

More about Brian Herosian later. I don't know how long it will be on Youtube, but there's ways of revisiting it if need be. Curious as to what you think!

***Update***

5:58 to 6:08 is where he makes the statement I find hard to believe. It's unfortunate that nobody will ever know the consequence, if any for this type of behavior.

Amway lies...Still Going On?

Are outlandish claims still being made by IBO's, and more specifically, leaders of the front line IBO's?

If so, what should happen if they are caught doing it?

I am going somewhere with this, but not today.

Just wanted to hear what you think.

You don't hear much about what happens to people like Greg Fredericks, and others who have been... let's just say it... lying.

I've stumbled across something that is really disturbing to me, and I am quite frankly surprised that someone would have the audacity to believe that it's acceptable. Especially given this person's tenure and pin level in the business, yet there it was, for all prospects to misinterpret.

Obviously this person has absolutely no fear of repercussions from the Amway Corp. rules dept.

What should Amway do when leaders, no front line ABO's are continuing on with these misleading claims? To wit:

"Would it be worth taking7-10 hours a week for the next 2-5 years to make $10,000 or more a month?...."

Would you believe that people are still saying this? After all the exposure and bad press Amway has gotten, high level leaders are STILL saying this!

I want to give Amway the benefit of the doubt, I really do. I just feel that it's pretty obvious nobody takes Amway's rules very seriously, and have no fear of consequence.

Quite frankly, I think this is going on all the time, it's just going on behind password protected accounts that prospects only can enter.

My opinion? Make the rule breaker punishment known. You won't catch people violating the rules very often, just like criminals. Nobody gets caught every time they break the law. People who do it over and over again eventually do. So you know when you see a person doing it, it's simply not the first time. That is why it is so important to denounce these things when you find it. Otherwise, it's just talk.

I'll be back. Stay tuned. I have a link to this to prove it.

The Lone Ranger (David Steadson) strikes again

Sorry for the unscheduled holiday, I've been in many parts of North America over the past month, and have really not had much time to create a good post. Things have settled down now, and I'll be more consistent.

I left this comment based on a post from David Steadson about how he was saving Amway again.

Once again, our hero makes the mistake of thinking he is all knowing. I find it interesting how his arrogance always seems to bubble to the surface, as in this case. In his post on his own blog, he pretty much thinks that because he had the author modify the article, he's correct by default.

Again, he is most certainly welcome to think anything he likes, just as I am welcome to think anything I like.

If this guy isn't doing this for personal gain, he needs to get a life.

Here's my comment I left on his blog, I gave him about a day to post it, and it's clear he's not interested in having a conversation with people who can throw barbs back, and are just as knowledgeable of the topic at hand. It's also clear that he doesn't want a public conversation when he's at risk of being exposed as no smarter than anyone else.



"Whether or not it's the death of professional journalism is very much up for debate.

However, journalism has a responsibility too. In Canada, the CBC has been government funded for many years and is VERY left leaning in it's journalism. In reality, it's more of a propaganda machine than a news source, yet it is Canada's National Broadcasting Corporation.

Now, that paragraph about the CBC is subjective, true, but there are enough people who feel that way that it's not a conspiracy theory, nor is it impossible to provide examples which support both opinions.

My opinions of Amway are also subjective, and I am well aware that there are examples supporting both viewpoints. So are yours.

I can't read Swedish, but I read your comment in English. Nothing I haven't heard from you before, but just because he retracted it doesn't necessarily mean you are right and he is wrong.

You would have to concede that there is much, much more to Amway, good and bad, than can be explained in a few posts.

Maybe he didn't feel like investigating it further after seeing the reams of material available to sift through. Maybe he doesn't care enough to refute you.

You seem to insinuate that he was incorrect, and that because you were policing him corrected a (perceived) error, and there is nothing wrong with Amway.

Therefore, his thoughts have no merit.

Untrue, and rather egotistical.

The point? Everyone can equally express opinions now. That's bad for Amway.

Obviously people weren't getting what they wanted from "credible" news sources, and went out to put their teeth in the soil, so to speak, on the WWW to get the straight goods on Amway.

People that want to know won't listen to just the CBC, or Wall Street Journal, or you, or me.

They will take all of it in, then judge for themselves after developing a global opinion based on all the information they receive.

That is Amway's problem. And yours, evidently."