Wednesday, January 04, 2012

Let's Talk About Support Systems

I was over browsing at the online Journal of a Worldwide Dreambuilder (an Amway Motivational Organization) who had a very compelling post about support systems and how the Amway one he is currently involved with compares (financially) to other credible and successful support systems.

First of all, I think it's important to clarify why I am using my own blog to give my thoughts. As is seemingly customary with Amway folk in this here internet age, there are no opposing views allowed on Shaun's blog anymore. Fair enough, his blog, his choice, but it's pretty clear to even the most casual observer why this tac is taken..He made it clear he isn't interested in hearing the cold hard realities about Amway not being a real business (who pays $100 a year to "own" their business?), and how highly unlikely it is that he will be able to walk away from his job any time in the near future.

But I digress.

John Maxwell is of course brought out as the first example. On his website we find that he has a fee of $179 a year to join the maximum impact club. Not a bad deal. Certainly cheaper and more credible that being involved with WWDB! I don't know why an Amway guy wouldn't just go and use Maxwell's stuff! Oh, wait. Yes I do. It's because the upline would get pissed off that they aren't profiting from the motivation purchases. Did you know that in many lawsuits high level leaders stated under oath that the PRIMARY income source of income is not the movement of Amway products, but the motivational sales?

I think that matters.....

In addition, John Maxwell is a pretty pricey guy! But have a look at what his credentials are.

How does that compare to an Amway guy and his motivational system? I know, not really a fair comparison is it?

I could go on about the real people who have made a business out of motivation like Tony Robbins and the like, but it's pretty much going to lead where I've already gone. Professional motivators sink or swim in the free market, and Amway motivational guys will exist as long as they have an Amway downline, whether they are good or not! Why?

Here's fricking why.....You know those Amway videos where the crowd is going ape shit for some dude like Brad Duncan going on stage? It's not really because he's smart you know. It's not because he's made thousands of people free from a job either. It's because the Amway faithful are TAUGHT to react to these people in an over the top fashion. Whether they deserve it or not. They are also TAUGHT to go to 3 different functions in 4 days! Why? Money, maybe? And not for anyone but the Amway leader I don't think. I don't think any Amway diamond is worthy of much praise, but that's my opinion. But I'm at an unfair advantage. I'm ALLOWED to question these folks. Amway "Independent" business owners are not to be questioning their upline.

In closing, I will challenge any Amway dude this, which makes the comparison to Tony Robbins and John Maxwell pretty much a red herring useless piece of crap self serving piece of propaganda. It's just a question, and it's relevant. I'm going to bold it and make it in bigger letters to both make it more aesthetically pleasing and to hammer home the Godamn obvious......

Did you join a self help group, or did you become a business owner to make money?

If you like feeling good, then hey! Keep doing what you're doing! Go on Communikate! Buy monthly books and CD's! Spend thousands on travel to go to functions and hear things that make you feel good but don't produce much in the way of financial rewards! Go ahead!

But don't call yourself a business owner because you simply aren't in control of a whole helluva lot. You are taught to submit to your upline. Doesn't sound very independent to me. You are participating in a support system because you are told to, not because it produces any financial results whether you want to admit it or not.

Plus you have an arsenal of overpriced products from a company with a shitty reputation.

Winning combo, that.

Support System? Of that I have no doubt, but who is it supporting? The Amway dude or the people providing the support system? You decide, but the obvious appears to escape many......

End of rant.


Anonymous Joecool said...

The support systems are a joke. Sure they might be motivational. They might make you feel good. They might get you dreaming. But achieving your goals and dreams thru Amway and the systems is about as likely as someone winning the lottery.

The lottery might be better because you don't have to do any work, save for purchasing the ticket.

05 January, 2012 16:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you have some proof of the leaders stating under oath that the primary income source is tool money?

This should be something that is publicized if so.

28 January, 2012 09:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you have some proof of the leaders stating under oath that the primary income source is tool money?

This should be something that is publicized if so.

28 January, 2012 09:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been to a couple of Amway functions where they try to get new recruits to join. At one point they have a group of Diamonds stand up, one by one, and announce their name and real world profession (e.g. Jonothan, accountant; Priya, Project manager; etc.). The diversity of people and job occupations is meant to show that anybody can get to diamond level. However, I can swear that it's the same diamonds that go to each of these meetings, so they're not that many of them anyways.

21 May, 2013 14:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just FYI so you know what you are talking about. The $100 dollars yearly isn't to own your business it's to give you a business license which is legally required by the government. And here in NC that same license for just this state is $300 dollars a year.

10 March, 2016 20:30  
Blogger rocket said...

Hi! Welcome to a 3 year old post! Just so you know what I was talking about, it's the money that pays for the motivation your upline provides. So any further state/federal or (in Canada) Provincial requirements are on top of that.

Still not a good deal my friend, especially when the success rates in Amway are abysmal. Do tell, does your upline hold THEMSELVES accountable for YOUR success?

Not that anyone is aware of I'm afraid. But keep buying the unproven motivation! I'm sure your upline loves you!

10 March, 2016 22:20  
Blogger rocket said...

To anon from Jan in 2012:

11 March, 2016 09:42  

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