Saturday, March 04, 2006

Dead Or Alive

I got to thinking after being engaged in a rather amusing yet lengthy debate over at Quixtar Blog.

Some lyrics came to my head from the Bon Jovi song "Dead Or Alive"

"It's all the same, Only the names'll change...."

Oh so true. What we have here is a debate that has been done over and over and over again.

End Result - The Same.

The folks affectionately known as "Bots" never seem to walk away with even a moral victory.

My most recent beef has simply got to be their persistant defense of the motivational CD business. I get this argument time and time again that the motivational speeches simply cannot be emailed to one another. Everyone knows how to have a group in their email, right? Soooooo, attach the recording to the email to the group and press send. No fees, no shipping, no waiting, and you have the most recent speech possible. Even if it was recorded at the function, it could be emailed out to those who couldn't attend within 5 minutes from it's conclusion.

Even better, you could have a live feed for an online function. No travel, no muss, no fuss.

Instant Franchise had mentioned that he was "working with his diamond" to find a better way. Nothing yet, I guess. By the way Mike, did you find any place yet where I denied ever being an IBO? Keep me posted as you search frantically ok?

The excuses are really becoming quite funny, yet lame.

The funniest was from Creylish, who said that his group was having a hard time navigating the web, let alone opening an email attachment, and that it was just not possible.

It's a web based business, #1. People are having a hard time understanding how to open up an email attachment? Who are you sponsoring, people who have been living on the moon in a cave with their hands over their ears and their eyes shut tight? I thought you were supposed to sponsor up. My 10 year old can open an email attachment. So can my 60 year old mother.

#2, Even I, with a pathetic dial up connection have downloaded a few podcasts from QBlog Radio and Truth at Quixtar Inside and Out Podcasts. It's not hard. Yep, it would be quicker with DSL, and I'll soon be moving to a place with DSL. For now, it is certainly workable.

It's pretty obvious that the reason these motivational speeches are NOT distributed via email is because there is a large profit to be made by the people who promote the sale of these CD's.

Someone, hell ANYONE, please give me just one simple reason that the motivation comes in the most INEFFICIENT manner possible.

Just one. Other than because your upline needs the money.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah it's a time honored debate rocket, those who get it, will get it, those who don't- rant.

How long has Amway been around? yet people are STILL ranting? But the business still survives.

It's the eye of the tiger...


04 March, 2006 23:33  
Blogger rocket said...

Do tell Michael, how many MP3's has your group mailed to one another?

Yes, It's a long standing debate, however, in my opinion, the internet is turning the tide. I don't think it's in Amway/Quixtar's favour either.

What part about the rant do you hate most?

Thanks for stopping by!

05 March, 2006 00:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Our group hasn't really "emailed" MP3's. We have a dedicated server where people can log in and download MP3's anytime they NEED them. There is no charge for that either.

That part I dislike about the rants is how PETTY it really truly is. I mean seriously, there is other things going on in the world to be more concerned about.

Worrying about how much someone is making off me is the least of my worries. Do you realize how much I've spent this month alone in Ebooks on internet marketing and coaching for MLM online? I spent over $500 for generic material THIS MONTH ALONE! Seriously! They were probably FREE to produce, yet these internet guru's charge anywhere from $97 - $297 to show you how to make real money on the internet! But you know what? I don't really care how much I spent...

My downline is the most important to me.IF I can improve myself to help my downline, I'll do anything it takes!

The other part I really dislike about the rants, is that the critics don't want to be fair or open minded and listen to the other side when IBO's have clearly listened and are making great changes as to how the business is dome.

The other rant I dislike the most is that you'll go to great legnths to proove someone is WRONG before you go to defend when someone is RIGHT. Expecially when they are PRO IBO. You just don't seem to care what an IBO thinks, or does because he's a Quixtar IBO.

Sorry for my long rant!


05 March, 2006 10:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

needed to correct spelling:

it's supposed to be "done" not "dome". my bad.


05 March, 2006 10:25  
Blogger rocket said...

Hey Michael, I would LOVE to point out the good that is going on in Quixtar. Other than people managing to retail a bit, I haven't found much good about it.

Here's your chance though. I have to admit, it's negative, but I just will not believe that a dedicated server is set up to log in and download free motivation for IBO's.

You want to see a positive post about your "business"? Let me see it for myself.

Seriously, I would see that as a big-time positive, and would have no problem telling others that this is the way it should be done.

Does it Exist? Not until I see it.

But it would be a groundbreaking thing.

05 March, 2006 12:51  
Blogger Ty Tribble said...

"other things to be concerned about"

I like that.

Amway/Quixtar may go down in history as the biggest fraud in U.S. history, yet, "there are other things to be concerned about".

For years, Amway/Quixtar diamonds have stould on stages and given people the impression that their riches come from the Amway/Quixtar business. When the reality is, most of the money comes from the so called tools business.


Ever count up how many qualified diamonds WWDB has broken in the last 10 years and how many of them got involved after 1995?

05 March, 2006 22:47  
Blogger Ty Tribble said...

Forgive the typo's for me too = )

05 March, 2006 22:48  
Blogger Ty Tribble said...


One more thing.

This co called dedicated server, don't you have to be a member of WWDB to get that information and doesn't that cost something like $40-50 a month?

05 March, 2006 22:50  
Blogger rocket said...


Can you shed some light, my friend?

I was talking about free motivation.

You know, the motivation that will improve your bottom line because it is free of charge?

C'mon Mike. Don't let me down, I thought you were serious man.

PS Find out where I denied being an IBO yet? I'll save you some time. It ain't there.

Unless you prove otherwise, the only free motivation you can produce is on your blog.

I thought you were better than that, seriously.

05 March, 2006 23:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I didn't realize you were even part of this conversation. Interesting. Buttinski...

Rocket, surely you jest to think I would just arbitrarily give you that information? Are you that naive? This is yet another one of your baited topics as usual.

It's been fun rocket!!Bye!!

Thanks for the linkage!


05 March, 2006 23:48  
Blogger rocket said...

Sorry Mikey

I guess I was giving you a little more credit than you were due.

You said in QBlog's forum that I wouldn't believe anything if it was handed to me on a silver platter.

Well, here was your chance to show that some IBO's do it right.

The fact that you feel it's a baited question speaks volumes about how secure you feel about what you are doing.

This is an open forum Michael. Ty is welcome to say anything he wants to say, and so is everyone else, including you.

People in the real world don't attempt to suppress the free movement of ideas. If you want to do that, I suggest you stick to your super secret motivation site (That you pay for)

So your suggestion that you are working with your diamond to have free motivation is maybe not as true as you thought?

Do tell.

06 March, 2006 09:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Think about this,

If you were this persistent in your Quixtar business, guess what, you'd be a Diamond!

The critic's like to share a libertarian point of view where No evidence is absolute evidence. That's a bad way to live!

Saying "show me your website" is ALOT like saying show me your financial records.

It's not bloody likely to HAPPEN!

You know what rocket? I REALLY REALLY DON'T care how you feel about me one way or another! You can leave me on your permanent "dingbat" list for all I care!

As to your comment:

"People in the real world don't attempt to suppress the free movement of ideas."

Oh really? Have you watched American news channels? People are trying to supress the "free movement" of Ideas ALL the TIME!

The critics are trying to do this all the time as well-despite what "good" they think they are doing! You don't like my ideas because you ARE trying to supress my beliefs and right to think what I want.

I am very secure with what I know and what I am doing bud, I think you're the one with the severe insecurity issues.

I know you'll be screaming that I'M hiding something- You're damn right, I am hiding something! And I am laughing at you while your "ranting" about MY life! Talk about being extremely pathetic- you're worried about little 'ol me!

As for now, this conversation is royaly pathetic and takes precious time away from my business! take care, enjoy life~ Peace!

I am off in the "wild blue yonder"

See ya~


06 March, 2006 14:45  
Blogger rocket said...

How quickly we forget:

Rocket said:

"1) MP3's are the easiest things in the world to send via the internet. Your group cannot open a file attached to an email? C'mon, surely you jest."

Michael said:

"My answer, yes they are easier and they are free, which is why we are incorporating them into training. Making it easier and cheaper to do the business.But that's something you just wouldn't believe(of course) even if it was handed to you on a silver platter."

Well there you have it. Everything is OK, as long as you don't question anything.

Guess what Micheal? I have absolutely no desire to be a diamond.

06 March, 2006 19:46  
Anonymous somewhere in between said...

I'd gladly take the use of MP3's or other audio downloads for the 'motivation/training' info being used. I like to get the tape access but when you go through the upline it gets expensive when you factor in all costs (tape, shipping and handling, and for me exchange rate (US$ to CDN$). Gonna be hard to find a Pin that will break from the current system though... too much money at stake. Sounds alot like major record labels fighting 'illegal downloads/filesharing'.

06 March, 2006 20:14  
Blogger rocket said...


Do you think a lot of IBO's feel the same way you do?

Has it ever been voiced to the upline?

Thanks for stopping by. I enjoy your comments.

06 March, 2006 20:24  
Blogger Ty Tribble said...

I have seen Michael dodge questions and post gibberish, but up until this, I have never seen him outright lie:

"Think about this,

If you were this persistent in your Quixtar business, guess what, you'd be a Diamond!"

So....where in the hell are all of the Diamonds?

Are you saying that less than .1% are persistant?

08 March, 2006 16:17  
Anonymous Brad said...

Hey Rocket,

I'm still around, so you can't say it's like always --- ie the people leave never to return.

Come join me in QBlogs forum, lots of good discussion going on there.

Take it upline? That's what i'm doing. I'm sure i'll keep the forum updated.

But remember: the only constant in this world is change. It is inevitable to convert with the technology (tape-cd then to mp3 or other) How long will it take? Who is fighting to keep it this way? I can say with confidence, i personally don't know. ANd honestly, you don't personally know either. It is all speculation.

But, it is your hobby-this speculation. And you have gotten quite good at it. Too bad you dont get tax write offs for persistence in rants:-P

and Ty, yes, i would say less than 1% are persistant enough (6-18 mo) to be diamond (Insiders post on QBlog going through "how many actually do all that is prescribed in 'the system'). Why so low? Some don't want it(like rocket) others dont understand the need for it, some are misguided because they are being led by some yahoo who thinks it's get rich quick (IBO on Dateline), and others stumble on here and believe rants over the good they see in their own group. Just my view on it. But what do i know?


10 March, 2006 15:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"i would say less than 1% are persistant enough (6-18 mo) to be diamond"

Yet 3% of the average household are persistent enough to be millionaires. Either AmQuix somehow attracts non-persistent people, OR people are more likely to become non-persistent once they join AmQuix.


17 March, 2006 17:00  

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