Monday, March 24, 2008

TEAM - Totally Excited About Motivation?

How in the hell can your "TEAM business" expand when you are between product companies?

According to anonymous, it's happened. You can find the conversation I was having with several of Orrin's ilk at the IBO Rebellion

Also according to anonymous, they are mirroring their Quixtar business in MonaVie.

I had asked anonymous how his Quixtar income compared to his MonaVie income. He indicated in his response that he was still growing his TEAM business (whatever the hell that could possibly entail) before he joined MonaVie.

"Projected income from MonaVie with same exact team still (even though it has grown alot since not being involved with Amyway anymore) around 3,000 a month."

So, that kinda opens up a whole bunch more questions that I'm sure will not be answered. In any event, it may be a bit of a problem for Orrin and his friends if Amway finds out they may pretty much be doing exactly what is alleged.

NEPA tries to bail himself out by saying he's not in Orrin's downline, but it makes no difference if he is in Mark & Tami Crawford's downline or Casey Combden's downline. They can't be doing the mirroring of lines of sponsorship thing.

That's what Amway is pissed off about, and they all know it.

I am finding myself not necessarily disliking Amway less, but rather, getting more and more wary of Orrin Woodward and his little gang. There are just things going on within TEAM that cannot be considered normal behavior.

That's great you have a group of people that want to be successful, and have common goals and the like, but it just seems to be something not right going on within TEAM.

I tried uploading the screen shot I took but blogger wouldn't upload it. Obviously it doesn't prove anything really, since it was made by an anonymous person.

Just very interesting. Orrin might want to pull in the reigns of his army, as it were. Might get him in trouble.

Which leads me to another thought. If Woodward or Brady or whatever other jackass is running the show at TEAM saw this, they would likely put out a voicemail or email or something (I'm assuming they have a mass communication method that SOMEBODY profits from).

The message would be basically to stop saying stuff like this online, because it just leads to trouble.

Which is basically trying to control information about your business. Now I'm no scholar, but I would think that the more your business is out there getting promoted the better, unless there's serious problems with your products or business model.

Sorry TEAM, I believe you are where Amway was at in the 70's, and it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

If TEAM people keep blowing the whistle on what's really going on, it will fail, because they can't afford to deal with the legal ramifications, if it's true. (IF IT'S TRUE)

If the TEAM "leaders" try to control the information, they will fail.

To quote Brad Harrigan, "This could get messy".

Welcome to the information age.

Speaking of information, if you would like to hear about how Prague went, I'd encourage you to check out On The Road With Dave's blog. He's good people.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yep your right rocket your right the TEAM did grow in its number of memebers. That does not mean that all TEAM memebers will be a part of Mona Vie though.

27 March, 2008 11:18  
Anonymous Joecool said...

Building a business without a product? What gives?

27 March, 2008 18:11  
Blogger rocket said...

I'm working on getting some answers...

I'm hoping that my opinion of TEAM will change once I've had some dialog with one of their folks.

Kinda getting the runaround right now, but I'm confident that all concerns about TEAM will be addressed.

27 March, 2008 19:03  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

joecool in case you havent been really paying attention to what TEAM is, we are a leadership developement company. I dont know about you, but leadership applies to many occupations and businesses. McD's got to what it is on Kroc's leadership, Dell Com. due to Dell's leadership, Walmart from Sam Walton's leadership,Chicago Bulls with MJ's influence, the list goes on and on, you get the point? Leadership is the highest paid profession what ever the occupational field is.

27 March, 2008 20:32  
Blogger rocket said...

The difference being that all of the noted people actually had a product that the market wanted.

Chicago Bulls sold basketball as entertainment as well as the promotional items that go with it like hats, shirts and the like.

McDonald's sold hamburgers.

Dell sells computers and software.

Wal-Mart sells everything.

They provide a product to an end user, not just to the people in their organization.

See the difference?

Thought not.

You should've tried to compare TEAM to George Torok, or Andy Cohen. Those folks actually sell their motivational ideas to companies as well, not just to the people they work with.

They have a product that they market to an outside user or organization, not a line of schleps that have bought into the hype.

Has TEAM ever spoken for a business or group?

Can you name one?

Does TEAM sell their motivation to outside organizations? If so, is it just the "leaders" that are able to sell their speeches?

Just please think about it for a moment objectively. It's not the same and you should know that.

I am awaiting a number of answers from a TEAM member who offered to share some insight with me. I hope to learn from that as well.

27 March, 2008 20:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Boy its a good thing that hats and T-shirts help get my life in order(sarcasm). Last night I had a very polite girl come over the other night to try and sell a vacume/air purifier and said her company makes her go to seminars and read books? Can you guess what a bunch of the books were?(at her employers office) You guessed it LLR written by the TEAM's co-founders. I dont know about you but the TEAM was never involved with vacume cleaners, but there books are now. Wow! what a concept! People what to actually pay for information that they think will be helpfull to them. You dont have to be "in" the TEAM to get the info or attend a seminar. Plus like I and other have said be for a Carneige or Robins or Ziggler seminar would cost 5-10x as much but thats ok to folks like you.

27 March, 2008 21:26  
Blogger rocket said...

Did you make anything from them reading Orrin's book?

27 March, 2008 22:08  
Blogger quixtarisacult said...

What TEAM is saying about their Biz and what MonaVie is saying about the Biz aren't quite the same thing. Something just doesn't compute about TEAM at the moment. Are they going to reorganize themselves into the MonaVie hierarchy and buy Juice drinks? The ways and means escape me at present. Maybe Anonymous can straighten me out on this. I feel like the Lost In Space Robot. "Does Not Compute!"

27 March, 2008 22:50  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys have a one track mind. Even when TEAM was with Q, the TEAM had just TEAM customers(not ever with Q or A). Now on your whole "they left this to join that" spew, just sounds STUPID! sorry just cant help it. Say if I worked and have lots of knowledge and experiance with direct selling company why is is so hard to understand that I is my choice and right to change to one that wants to pay me (WAY!) better for my efforts. Its like being a plumber for one company, and leave (not to give up on plumbing altogether) for another plumbing company that wants to pay me more mony for the same efforts. OMG! what a concept! you guys make it to easy to take the very logic you try to "spin" and turn it right back at you.

28 March, 2008 00:06  
Blogger rocket said...

And just where is this often talked about but seldom seen compensation plan?

Pretty tough to make a point with no factual information to back it up.

28 March, 2008 00:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I onced worked for a company that had an ESOP program and you know what when I meet their profit share criteria(as an employee, which requried only a time amount-2yrs to be exact) I got paid a %(based on time) from the corp. Now if that could be the same but instead of a time amount the % (for a direct selling business) was based on performance criteria. why is that so confusing? Oh wait I know as a employee that how we make more money, just put more years in. who cares if you can run circles around (John Doe) hes been here 5yrs longer than you so he will always get paid more, or even better yet have to work for the same amount of years to reach the income cap. No thanks I tried that game to many times as an employee with a bunch of different companies, different FACES same CRUD. maybe that makes you happy and feel safe but not for me, not ever.

28 March, 2008 00:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey rocket the reason know one wants to tell you the compensation plan is that you already have lost trust with your two faces.

28 March, 2008 00:23  
Blogger rocket said...

#1 - It's not the profit sharing system I'm knocking, it's the lack of transparency involving it.

#2 - The reason nobody wants to share the compensation plan is completely unknown to me. Nobody seems to be able to see it, other than those collecting it. Q can't stop you from sharing it now, so why all the cloak and dagger? I have theories:

a) It's not profitable.

b) You shouldn't be operating a system where there is no end user, only internal consumption.

c) It's up to someone else, some other time.

Just theories. I'd like to be proven wrong.

28 March, 2008 00:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is your deffinition of a "end user". Its seems to be from those who complained in the past I was anyone not involved with Q or A. but since the TEAM left Q, it seems you guys want to ghange your old deffinition to fit your new arguments. Which "side" are we going to argue from today? maybe tomorrow you'll "switch" back.

28 March, 2008 00:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just face it rocket your only intentions are to creat confuision for both sides, you dont have any ties to either side so why do you really care? we dont need your help, we dont want it, we know what we a getting "into", we dont need you to "shed light" onto the subject(we are aware of whats going on), we dont need you to "save" us or anyone else for that matter, you "guys" want to talk about others thinking for them selves, but are quik to attack "us" when all we do is over different information and let "them" make their own choice.

28 March, 2008 00:50  
Blogger rocket said...

Just theories, and just searching for the truth, my anonymous friend.

Doesn't look like the truth about TEAM is forthcoming any time soon.

28 March, 2008 01:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about you go first, with the "truth" that is since you wanted to "sling mud" first then "pretend" to seek to understand later. What has TEAM done to you? I can read your blog to seem you have attacked the TEAM.

28 March, 2008 01:15  
Blogger rocket said...

What I did was spoke my mind, and make reference to me thinking that there is something really disturbing about TEAM, and how they compare themselves to Spartacus, William Wallace, etc...

I voiced those opinions. Then I got some (not unexpectedly) heat from TEAM defending their positions.

Then I attempted to understand, because really, I all see is a bunch of people saying they are ready to spill blood with Orrin and Chris. So I asked to understand.

I still don't understand. But I still think it's disturbing.

When a TEAM member can answer very simple and succinct questions, then I won't be suspicious. Wanna try?

28 March, 2008 10:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is a tip then, go attend a TEAM meating near you, Talk to others face to face(unless your faces is already exposed). Ask them questions, in person. I've had a guy lie right to face before just so he could go "spin" some more "truth" on some other site. But know I know who he is and I now know that his "word" has no value to it at all.

28 March, 2008 11:25  
Blogger rocket said...

Unforunately, that's not how the world works.

I'm not going to go to a TEAM meeting to dispel my personal opinions that you folks are whacked out on something.

I would go to a TEAM meeting to look at a business opportunity to make money at.

You should start thinking like a business person.

Trying to ascertain TEAM isn't some type of weird worshiping organization is not any motivation for people to check it out.


28 March, 2008 11:46  
Anonymous Joecool said...

Ok anonymous, so team is in the business of selling motivation like Anthony Robbins. That's fine.

Who gets the profits from the sale of motivation? Does the "Team" share it equally?

I honestly have not followed the Team trial's and tribulations, that's why I was asking.

28 March, 2008 12:03  
Anonymous said...

Wow... very interesting...

Rocket -

A quick note... when a group like Team is part of Quixtar... they make Team "hide" the profit-sharing part of the TEAM business. Now that most of the TEAM is out of the "Quixtar" woods... I am sure you will find what you are looking for... hold on and I am sure you will be happy... keep in contact with the person you have been working with on this Team... they will have more information soon!

31 March, 2008 11:03  

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