Money and Power
I've had a lot to post about in the past week, but just wasn't feeling up to the task. It's been really busy at work, and quite frankly, anything I have to offer the conversation has pretty much been said. So this week, despite that there has in fact been a lot going on, I just never got into it. If you were looking forward to a new post, I'm sorry.
Insider's Identity was revealed. That was some good sleuthing by Scott Larsen, and perhaps Mr. Steadson will take it upon himself to be a little less obvious now. Or not. It really doesn't matter to me who insider is, I simply disagree with a number of his ideas. I don't know what his motivation is for defending Quixtar so vehemently, and there doesn't appear to be a connection between him and the corporation. His motivation remains unknown.
On a completely unrelated topic, there is also no correlation between money and the war in Iraq.
In other events, Orrin and Co. have decided to go with Mona Vie. Yes, you read that right. Because of the excessive prices they had to contend with in Quixtar/Amway, they have decided to retail $45 bottles of juice. This seems to be where some former Amway leaders pasture after ending their journey with Amway.
Ready for a rant? If not, you would be well advised to click your ass out of here right now.
For people that left because of the premium prices on the premium products, this is sure a conflicting message to your entire organization. No problem for Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady, George & Jill Guzzardo et al. Why? Because they already have groups built beneath them, which will automatically make them money. I don't know for certain, and this is completely speculation, but would you honestly think that Orrin would put someone who was at the 300 PV level in Quixtar above him in Mona Vie? Thought not.
I have learned through my various experiences in life that when something doesn't make sense to follow the money or the power, or both. Where am I going with this? Absolutely nowhere, but I would be very interested in knowing who they sign up under, and the way their groups fall under them.
Do you smell what I'm cooking? There is a bunch of other MLM's that you could go into that have much more seller friendly products, especially if you are looking to be the Wal-Mart of the internet so all of "your people" can be successful. Why would you pick a very limited beverage market? I can only think of a few things, and these are simply personal theories:
a) The fact that it's nothing like most of Amway's products may be to avoid more legal hassles. I would concur that Amway is a bunch of Goddamn Corporate bullies. Trying to push ahead and ignore them in an even remotely competing business under the circumstances would be like trying to ignore a snake in your bathroom sink while you brush your teeth.
b) See the power and money thing above
c) Nobody cares about retailing or the products, they just want to get books and motivation off of the shelves as soon as possible with the least amount of hassle. It has been kind of a lean year for TEAM. What they are going to retail is the furthest thing from their minds.
d) They made a poor decision. For whatever reason. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Mona Vie. Really. I know during his test, QBlog wasn't leaping tall buildings or saving people on doomed aircraft. He felt it was OK, but he just didn't think it was worth the price.
I just don't get how you can go from wanting a better opportunity for everyone, then go to this. If I was an ex IBO who had been eagerly awaiting this day for months, then found this out, I would be completely flabbergasted. Not angry, not sad, not excited....confused. How is this better? How could you possible sustain an income to support a family when you are selling expensive juices, and a whole bunch of people you know are also doing the same thing?
For all you pro Amway folks out there, don't even get to thinking about the waiting period after you leave Amway and how this applies to avoid situations just like this. My thoughts on the non compete agreement after you leave Amway are separate from this topic, and in my opinion simply reinforces the fact that you don't own your own business. If you sell your regular business to another individual, I can understand the rationale. If you decide to quit your regular business, guess what? You can do whatever you want afterwards, if you want to.
No, don't kid yourself, dear Reader. All the crap going on in MLM is not about helping people lead better lives and have better quality family time.
It's about 2 things. See the title of this post.
It's a good idea to make any and all career or business decisions with that fact in the back of your mind. It will help you understand why some people do what they do.
Hope you had a good week.
P.S. Does Orrin Woodward's constant quoting of books annoy anyone else?
Insider's Identity was revealed. That was some good sleuthing by Scott Larsen, and perhaps Mr. Steadson will take it upon himself to be a little less obvious now. Or not. It really doesn't matter to me who insider is, I simply disagree with a number of his ideas. I don't know what his motivation is for defending Quixtar so vehemently, and there doesn't appear to be a connection between him and the corporation. His motivation remains unknown.
On a completely unrelated topic, there is also no correlation between money and the war in Iraq.
In other events, Orrin and Co. have decided to go with Mona Vie. Yes, you read that right. Because of the excessive prices they had to contend with in Quixtar/Amway, they have decided to retail $45 bottles of juice. This seems to be where some former Amway leaders pasture after ending their journey with Amway.
Ready for a rant? If not, you would be well advised to click your ass out of here right now.
For people that left because of the premium prices on the premium products, this is sure a conflicting message to your entire organization. No problem for Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady, George & Jill Guzzardo et al. Why? Because they already have groups built beneath them, which will automatically make them money. I don't know for certain, and this is completely speculation, but would you honestly think that Orrin would put someone who was at the 300 PV level in Quixtar above him in Mona Vie? Thought not.
I have learned through my various experiences in life that when something doesn't make sense to follow the money or the power, or both. Where am I going with this? Absolutely nowhere, but I would be very interested in knowing who they sign up under, and the way their groups fall under them.
Do you smell what I'm cooking? There is a bunch of other MLM's that you could go into that have much more seller friendly products, especially if you are looking to be the Wal-Mart of the internet so all of "your people" can be successful. Why would you pick a very limited beverage market? I can only think of a few things, and these are simply personal theories:
a) The fact that it's nothing like most of Amway's products may be to avoid more legal hassles. I would concur that Amway is a bunch of Goddamn Corporate bullies. Trying to push ahead and ignore them in an even remotely competing business under the circumstances would be like trying to ignore a snake in your bathroom sink while you brush your teeth.
b) See the power and money thing above
c) Nobody cares about retailing or the products, they just want to get books and motivation off of the shelves as soon as possible with the least amount of hassle. It has been kind of a lean year for TEAM. What they are going to retail is the furthest thing from their minds.
d) They made a poor decision. For whatever reason. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Mona Vie. Really. I know during his test, QBlog wasn't leaping tall buildings or saving people on doomed aircraft. He felt it was OK, but he just didn't think it was worth the price.
I just don't get how you can go from wanting a better opportunity for everyone, then go to this. If I was an ex IBO who had been eagerly awaiting this day for months, then found this out, I would be completely flabbergasted. Not angry, not sad, not excited....confused. How is this better? How could you possible sustain an income to support a family when you are selling expensive juices, and a whole bunch of people you know are also doing the same thing?
For all you pro Amway folks out there, don't even get to thinking about the waiting period after you leave Amway and how this applies to avoid situations just like this. My thoughts on the non compete agreement after you leave Amway are separate from this topic, and in my opinion simply reinforces the fact that you don't own your own business. If you sell your regular business to another individual, I can understand the rationale. If you decide to quit your regular business, guess what? You can do whatever you want afterwards, if you want to.
No, don't kid yourself, dear Reader. All the crap going on in MLM is not about helping people lead better lives and have better quality family time.
It's about 2 things. See the title of this post.
It's a good idea to make any and all career or business decisions with that fact in the back of your mind. It will help you understand why some people do what they do.
Hope you had a good week.
P.S. Does Orrin Woodward's constant quoting of books annoy anyone else?
posted by rocket at 11:25 AM
14 Comments:
Do you need tapes and seminars to learn how to get people to buy $45 bottles of juice? Or to get others to copy you?
$45 bottle of juice?? Wow!!! This is their "freedom"? Honestly, I would think it would be easier to retail the high priced Q* crap...look what greed can do.
Oh, I feel so sorry for all their downline.
A binary comp plan. How perfect for them. That's what they were trying to do with the Quixtar model--which makes money for the Upline and very little for the rest of the distributors.
Ugh.
Doesn't the Simply Nutrilite Antioxidant Juice have the same stuff as Monavie? That acai berry?
12 cans retail for $30
Same amount of liquid (3 litres) as a case of Monavie (4 bottles) for $180.
1/6 the price.
Oh, but this whole Monavie thing is just Phase I of his plan, he says.
How long is Orrin gonna let these people wait, wait, wait, for his master plan to unfold?
How much will he squeeze them as he sells them "leadership" training materials?
How long does he expect them to hold on without making a penny of profit?
Seems like all the complaints he had with A/Q, he's doing without them.
Who's he gonna point the finger at when people start complaining that this is the same old, same old?
So I wonder how Brig Hart (former Amway double diamond who got kicked out of the biz for BSM abuse) feels about Orrin moving in on his Monavie territory....
http://www.brighart.com/
http://www.r3global.com/
I just read an interesting article about a lawsuit
http://www.kansascity.com/business/story/489028.html
And another one about how the Quixtar business has been affected
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/quixtar-announces-fifth-consecutive-year-of-billion-dollar-sales,281909.shtml
So tell me Anon...what was your share of that $1 bil? That's why you are an IBO right? To become wealthy, be free and all that. So, I am assuming with $1Bil in sales there must be a load of newly successful IBO's....right?
Oh and how positive is it that not only were sales down this year but that sales have remained pretty consistent for 5 years? When will we see all this growth you IBO's speak of? In another 5 years, 10...you tell me.
When Q* does bad it doesn't effect your business but when it does good, your business does great...right? Spare me.
anna28,
Anon was just sharing some information.
Why are you so cranky?
ezttt, anna was just sharing her thoughts. Why are you so wimoy?
"pj", aren't you so cute. ;)
"Wimoy". How...special.
It's the WAY anna28 shares "her" thoughts that is so pleasant.
Ahhhh poor ezttt....do I need to wrap everything up in fluffy cotton candy for you? Is reality just getting to much for you to handle? Just because your so-called mentor will wrap a piece of crap in a blanket of goodies for you doesn't mean that the rest of the world will. Get over it already.
Why don't you try debating some of the facts here instead of acting like a 10 year old...or is that asking too much?
anna28,
I'm sorry...Do I know you?
You appear to be addressing me as if you know anything about me.
It's as if I've jumped in to your movie, and you are trying to cast me in a role which you've made up in your head.
Strange. Very strange.
Movie??? What are you talking about? And I am the one who is acting strange? Is that how you go through life...like it's a movie?
T'was you to make the first assumption about me...so maybe I should be asking YOU if you think you know me?
I meant why is ezttt such a wimp.
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